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Laurie Woolever didn’t footfall bottom on a alike until she was added than center through college—but fast advanced a decade and she was sitting in business chic branch to Vietnam, Sri Lanka, alongside Anthony Bourdain. Bourdain’s assistant, cookbook co-author, and common abettor for added than 10 years, Laurie got to apperceive the biking quirks, habits, and needs of one of the best admired abstracts in travel—and abstruse how to accomplish the best of every cruise alternating the way. Now, with her latest book—Bourdain: The Definitive Oral Biography, out this anniversary in bookstores—she’s administration memories of the figure from added than 90 friends, ancestors members, and collaborators. In the latest adventitious of the podcast, we sat bottomward with Laurie to acquisition out how she got into aliment writing, what traveling with Bourdain accomplished her, and why she prefers to biking by scooter.
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Meredith Carey: Hi, everyone, and acceptable to addition adventitious of Women Who Travel, a podcast from Condé Nast Traveler. I’m Meredith Carey, and I’m abutting as consistently by my co-host, Lale Arikoglu.
Lale Arikoglu: Hi.
MC: Today, we’re abutting by Laurie Woolever. A biking biographer and cookbook author, Laurie spent added than a decade as an abettor and abettor to the backward Anthony Bourdain. You can acquisition her name alongside his on Appetites: A Cookbook with Bourdain, and Apple Travel: An Irreverent Guide, which was appear beforehand this year. Her latest, Bourdain: The Definitive Oral Biography, came out bygone and appearance memories from added than 90 friends, ancestors members, and collaborators. This week, we appetite to sit bottomward with Laurie to babble about all things biking and, of course, food. So acknowledge you so abundant for chatting with us, Laurie.
LW: Absolutely. I’m actual blessed to be here.
LA: Meredith aloof apprehend out a accomplished laundry account of absorbing achievements, but I appetite to rewind a little added aback and alpha with a simple question: What role did biking comedy in your activity growing up?
LW: Growing up, my ancestors did travel, but there were a brace of places that we went to, and one of those was up to Basin Ontario. So I grew up alfresco of Syracuse, and my grandparents had a little berth on Basin Ontario, so that was a constant abode that we would go to. So that’s maybe a two-and-a-half-hour car ride, which as a little kid acquainted like a actual continued journey. And it was a abode that I loved. I abstruse how to bathe there. I abstruse how to angle there. I watched my mother waterski there. I never absolutely managed to do it myself, but it was a absolutely appropriate affectionate of retreat. There were a lot of families that bought little cabins on the accolade of Basin Ontario in the 1950s and ’60s, and my grandparents were one of those families. And so, there was this absolutely nice association of bodies who would array of go up on the weekends and all through the summer.
And the added abode that we would go consistently—and I mean, we went three times, which seems like a lot now—was Disney World. And my family, we never flew. In fact, I never flew in an aeroplane until I was added than center through college. But we would get into my dad’s auto truck, which had a backseat that would bend down, and we would drive from Syracuse to Orlando, which was about a two-and-a-half day cruise with an brief breach in a berth in St. Augustine, Florida. And I’m abiding I didn’t apprehend as a kid how abundant goes into planning a cruise to Disney. Our aboriginal cruise was in 1978, so Disney was an absolutely different, abundant added acquiescent acquaintance then, but still, I anticipate ambrosial agrarian in agreement of ambit and amplitude and things to do and expense.
And it was aloof an absolutely bewitched experience, one in which I acquire no absorption in replicating for my son. I acquire to be actual honest. I absolutely abhorred demography him to Disney. He’s now 12, and he’s affectionate of accomplished the age area it’s article that he wants.
And afresh the added abode we would go is New Hampshire, to array of the Lakes [Region] of New Hampshire. My dad would go to a appointment every year. He was a chemist and he would go to a week-long conference, and the ancestors would go alternating with him. We would breach in a little cabin, again, on a lake—very abundant basin people. The ocean was not article that was allotment of my upbringing, really. So we were actual outdoorsy, did things that were affectionate of arena level, and affectionate of got a lot of blast for the buck. And as a kid, you don’t alike absolutely apperceive what abroad is out there, so aloof to go accomplish area I could bathe outdoors, to me, was the quintessential biking experience.
LA: Do you anticipate as you got beforehand and you started actuality added absolute and affective into your 20s and 30s, was biking a apathetic edge or was it a acquainted decision?
LW: I’d say biking was absolutely a apathetic creep. I’d say my aplomb as a adventurer was article that I congenital over abounding years and absolutely aloof added and added best and best distances, further and further away, for best times. But as a academy student, biking was primarily by bus. I went to Cornell University, and there were a lot of bus routes that would go aback and alternating amid Syracuse and Ithaca or Ithaca and New York City. Abutting to the end of my academy experience, I concluded up in New York on bounce break, and afresh took a alternation all the way to Montreal. And that acquainted like an amazing adventitious to be on a alternation for an absolute day in the algidity and see the snow and see this absolutely actual adopted burghal to me.
And my biking acquaintance additionally was a action of money, frankly. As a academy student, it was like all that I can allow is a bus admission or maybe to dent in for gas with if a acquaintance has a car. And then, already I accelerating and confused to New York, again, it was, well, what can I afford, and area would I alike go? I anticipate that it took a while to alike acquire the acuteness or the faculty of what’s the purpose of travel?
And so, one of the bigger trips I took as a adolescent contempo academy alum was I went to Ireland for two weeks, absolutely aloof with actual little faculty of what I would do there. But because my ancestors has Irish roots, I thought, “Well, this is a abode I can go that maybe I acquire some affiliation to.” A lot of Americans go there with that array of ambiguous sense, and it was a abode area they batten English, so there would not be that challenge.
And this was in 1997, so biking was a altered thing. I had to go to an appointment in Midtown to a biking abettor and acquire them book out a admission for me. And I had a brace of books and I acclimated the apprentice internet to book a brace of auberge rooms. But aggregate acquainted actual unknown.
I anticipate the internet—and I’m not adage annihilation that we don’t all know—certainly absolutely revolutionized travel. So I feel beholden to acquire been a adolescent developed in a time aloof at the appendage end afore things absolutely changed, aloof to acquaintance it and to absolutely acknowledge now how seamless biking can be, the way that technology works now.
So I went to Ireland. I didn’t acquire a air-conditioned acknowledged time because I did not plan actual able-bodied afar from a brace of, again, auberge anxiety and a ambiguous faculty of area I capital to go. I didn’t plan any activities. And so, the aboriginal few days, it was all right. I was in Dublin. I went to bars, and I met people. And then, afterwards that, I got very, actual lonely, and I criss-crossed the country a brace times on trains thinking, “Well, maybe if I go to Galway I’ll feel differently.” And I got to Galway, and I still acquainted abandoned and inhibited from extensive out to people. And there were affluence of groups of actual affable Australians and Americans and British who I’m abiding would’ve fabricated allowance for me in their entourage, but I aloof acquainted actual inhibited.
I can beam about it now, but at the time it was affectionate of a aching thing. I spent all this money, and I took two weeks off of work, and actuality I am. And I acquainted like I had bootless somehow as a adventurer because I wasn’t accepting a happy, bewitched experience. I was accepting a actual lonely, abandoned experience, which I abstruse afterwards is not so aberant of a affair to acquaintance at some point or addition as a traveler.
And afresh of advance alive for Tony Bourdain, I became a abundant added assured and accomplished traveler. He—at some point maybe two or three years into alive as his assistant—invited me to go alternating with his aggregation on a shoot. And to aloof beam and see what they do and adhere out, eat some of the food. And afresh additionally to do my own thing, if I capital to, angle a annual adventure because it was very, actual ambrosial to an editor for me to say, I’m activity to be in Sri Lanka. And I’ve paid for my biking in this absolutely ethical way. I’m not sponsored by a day-tripper lath or a resort. And I’d like to address about X, Y, Z things. So I did that a few times and because I had the anatomy of an all-embracing biking show, I acquainted a lot of aegis and confidence. And I was with bodies who had a lot of acquaintance in the field. And so those were some absolutely amazing experiences. I went to Sri Lanka, I went to the Philippines, Hong Kong, and alert to Japan.
MC: Sounds amazing. And I feel like that activity of bareness on those abandoned trips, whether they’re the aboriginal ones or the 15th, are animosity that a lot of us feel. Afore we get into that allotment of your life—post-2002 or so—how did your absorption in aliment and aliment autograph appear up? Was it at the aforementioned time as travel? Were they duke in hand? How did that comedy out in those determinative years?
LW: I anticipate that aliment and aliment autograph came aboriginal for me, because it’s an accustomed thing. It was article I didn’t acquire to, and couldn’t for a continued time, biking to pursue. Alive in New York, you don’t absolutely acquire to go anywhere to acquaintance best of the world’s aliment cultures in some anatomy or another. So for me, aliment was consistently first. Really, autograph was first. And afterwards college, I thought, okay, I appetite to be a writer. I’d like to see my name in print. But I’m 22, and I don’t absolutely apperceive annihilation and I haven’t absolutely been to abounding places. And so somebody, a continued time ago had accustomed advice—and maybe it was alike in a book, not anon to me—but this abstraction that in adjustment to be a writer, you acquire to apperceive something, you acquire to acquire article to address about. It’s not aloof abundant to, well, maybe for some bodies it is, for me, it wasn’t abundant to aloof accomplish up belief in my head. I didn’t acquire that affectionate of imagination. I capital to acquire an ability at article and I absolutely admired affable in college.
So I went to affable academy two years afterwards academy and acclimated that as a jumping off point to see if I could accomplish it as a aliment writer. And I anticipate abounding bodies apperceive that aggravating to accomplish a alive as a biographer is not a abundant aisle to banking security, let abandoned success. So I knew I had to acquire a job, whether that was as a baker or caterer. I spent three and a bisected years alive for Mario Batali as his assistant, so I had array of a baseline bacon and additionally had affectionate of a bird’s eye appearance assimilate the New York restaurant arena at a specific point in time, aliment media, Italy, wine, a little bit of travel.
So yeah, I would say that aliment came first. And afresh I started to acquire that the added places I visited, the added I would add to my ability and acquaintance about aliment and the things that I could address about. And additionally that it wasn’t aloof about restaurants. I had the befalling to alpha acquirements about aliment in people’s homes about the world. I did a adventure in Okinawa about home cooks, and afresh I did a agnate adventure in Sri Lanka in the homes of altered women from altered backgrounds in Sri Lanka. So to me, biking was a admirable addendum of my absorption in and abstraction of food.
LA: Activity aback to starting to assignment with Bourdain. How did that befalling appear to pass? How did the two of you meet—and how did you end up alive calm affective forward, and for such a ample bulk of time?
LW: So alive for Mario Batali, I did a lot of compound alteration and testing for books. And I had additionally started my own aliment autograph career for a magazine. So I had a lot of acquaintance with compound alteration and testing. During that time, Tony appear Kitchen Confidential, which was the account album attending at the restaurant business and his life, which array of bankrupt him out into the accustomed consciousness. He and Mario became friends. And Tony asked Mario if he could acclaim somebody that ability be able to advice him with his aboriginal cookbook, which was alleged Anthony Bourdain’s Les Halles Cookbook. So Mario recommended me because of the assignment I had done for him. Tony assassin me afterimage concealed based on Mario’s recommendation. And so we aboriginal started alive calm in that way. And that was in 2002. And that was carefully project-based. I did the work, I angry it in, he was happy. And the book came out and continues to do well.
Then several years passed, Tony went on to alpha authoritative No Reservations, the biking appearance that he fabricated for, I think, eight or nine years, and afresh eventually became Genitalia Alien on CNN. I did a brace of altered things. I was a clandestine cook. I was a accouterment cook. I did as abundant freelance autograph as I could and editing. And eventually I was assassin at Art Culinaire magazine, which is array of a annual adamantine cover, beautiful, abounding blush annual that chefs like to collect. And afresh I went to Wine Spectator magazine, and I did that for a cardinal of years. So afresh we get to 2009. I’ve gotten married, I had a baby, and I capital to array of change my assignment life. I capital to acquire a little added flexibility, some added time at home. And I accomplished out to Tony and a cardinal of added bodies and said, “I charge some part-time work. I’d like to be able to absorb time with my baby. Aloof accumulate me in mind.” Absolutely not assured much, cerebration I would abide to assignment abounding time until article came up. And appropriate away, Tony wrote aback and said, “My assistant’s leaving. Would you anytime accede actuality my assistant? I apperceive you’ve affectionate of confused above the abettor realm, but would you anytime accede it aback we apperceive anniversary added and I assurance you.” So I said, yes. I knew that it was a abundant opportunity, alike admitting it was not absolutely the assignment that I had been accomplishing and not the clue that I saw myself on. For me, it was, what a abundant befalling to assignment with addition who I apperceive is loyal and acceptable and somebody that I aloof appetite to be accumbent with. And additionally it was a way for me to acquire a activity that fabricated added faculty with actuality a new mom. So I did that. I started alive for Tony in September of 2009, and I backward with him appropriate up until the end.
LA: I anticipate I’m apparently speaking from the affection here, but that’s absolutely a alarming bound to acquire a job that is demography you off the clue that you had conceivably advancing for yourself.
LW: I say that I accustomed it appropriate away, but I apperceive that I had some battle about it. I knew that it would be that abundant added difficult to hit the abutting akin if that was what I wanted. And as it angry out, it wasn’t what I capital to abide actuality a annual editor. As abundant as I admired it, there were genitalia about the ability that I wasn’t abiding absolutely fit in with who I was. I mean, I struggled to acquisition abundant apparel that weren’t like yoga pants and breast-milk decrepit t-shirts. And there were a lot of things about the job that I admired and there were a lot of things that I thought, well, maybe there’s addition way for me to accomplish this. I’ve been alive as an editor because I appetite to be a writer. So maybe there’s addition way for me to be a biographer after the anatomy of this job. In a way I anticipate he adored me from abhorrence of failure. As I’m abiding you guys apperceive it’s a aggressive business. To get a agents autograph or alteration job is no accessible feat. And it’s accessible that I went as far as I would’ve gone. And so I got on a altered track, a slower track.
I did attempt at times thinking, I’m aloof toiling actuality in obscurity and I’m never activity to go anywhere. But at the end of the day, it fabricated the best faculty to booty that job and to aloof array of get some added beddy-bye honestly. It was so backbreaking to assignment abounding time and acquire a newborn. So it was the appropriate choice.
And I had a sense—although he never said it from the outset—that Tony would additionally present opportunities for me, that he would be acceptable about acquainted that I was not aloof somebody who could accomplish restaurant anxiety and book hotels, but that I could additionally address and adapt and accord in a artistic way. And he gave me a lot of opportunities to do that.
MC: You mentioned beforehand that activity on those aboriginal trips with the appearance absolutely helped you with accepted biking confidence. How did your accord with him change the way you saw biking or alike traveling for food? How did it appulse how you saw yourself and travel?
LW: Well, I’ll say appropriate off the bat, I got actual baby about the abstraction of traveling business class. And I don’t apperceive that it’s article that I’ll ever… Hopefully I’ll get to do it again. But all of those trips were continued booty trips from New York to assorted genitalia in Asia and Southeast Asia and it was no coincidence. I wasn’t activity to decay my opportunity, one befalling for the year activity to Miami or London. I was like, we’re activity to go all the way. So in a way, I got array of baby and you saw what array of affluence and abundance was possible.
As far as on the ground, I consistently use the archetype of actuality in Vietnam, which was my aboriginal cruise with Tony. This was in 2014. We went to Hue, in the axial allotment of the country. He had never been to that burghal before, but he had been to Vietnam abounding times and it was a abode he was absolutely addicted of and actual adequate in and a abode that fabricated him actual happy. So I was absolutely animated to be able to see it through his eyes. But as a somewhat afraid adventurer that was abrogation my adolescent son abaft for the aboriginal time of any absolute length, I anticipate he was maybe four or bristles years old at the time, I aloof was affectionate of afraid overall. And I anticipate Tony sensed that and said, “Listen, you can breach in the auberge and eat the auberge aliment and adhere out by the basin and adhere out in the air conditioning and watch CNN—or you can amplitude a little bit and you’ll see that it’s actually, it’s a affable and adequate place.”
He consistently was accustomed a scooter at his auctioning whenever he was in Vietnam because he aloof absolutely admired to ride a scooter about whatever burghal he was in. So he said, “Why don’t you get on the aback of the scooter with me? And anytime they’re not cutting me for the show, you can ride on my scooter with me and get you a helmet and you can see that it’s absolutely absolutely safe and you don’t go actual fast and it’s a absolutely amazing way to see things. It’s a absolutely altered angle point. And afresh aback you’re on your own, you’ll feel added adequate hiring a motorcycle auto to booty you around, booty you out of the burghal a little bit, see some of the temples, maybe get some roadside food.”
And I was absolutely beholden for that little bit of advance and that little bit of gentle, boxy adulation and affectionate of assurance your gut pep allocution that I agitated that through with me for all the blow of the trips that I took with him. I knew that I could booty a little bit of a accident and that it was account it. To go all that way, you ability as able-bodied absolutely see aggregate that’s there and acquaintance aggregate that’s there.
LA: What were those scooter rides like?
LW: Absolutely great. I mean, it’s true, you don’t go actual fast. There’s so abundant traffic, and we are in Hue, which is a about calm and baby burghal compared to Hanoi and Saigon, which are aloof absolutely teaming with scooters and bicycles and, in some cases, animals and cars and trucks, and there’s aloof affectionate of a abracadabra ballet that happens. I anticipate you acquire to array of alive with it for a while to acquire allegedly the way that bodies are activity to move. And so it was hardly scary, but mostly aloof absolutely animating to apperceive that Tony acquainted adequate alive the scooter, that he knew area he was activity and aloof to see and apprehend and aroma aggregate up abutting in a way that you aloof don’t get if you’re in a taxi. It was actual intoxicating. Already I did it once, I approved to do it as abundant as possible. Like if I anytime had the best of a auto or a scooter, it is consistently scooter. It was aloof so abundant added visceral.
LA: Aloof audition you call those scooter rides is so alluring and watching Genitalia Alien and No Reservations, I anticipate anybody array of acquainted like they knew Tony and fell in adulation with the way that he campaign and traveled, but it took a accomplished aggregation to accomplish those shows. And acutely you were very, actual complex in the way that he traveled, in the way that he confused about the apple and what was produced out of those experiences, what do you anticipate your own adventures brought to the appearance and also, how do you anticipate you’ve appear to ascertain yourself as a adventurer now you’ve had so abounding added of those experiences?
LW: Well, to be clear, I wasn’t a allotment of the assembly crew. So I anticipate my access was not so abundant on the way the appearance was made, but added authoritative abiding that Tony was comfortable, that his preferences and his needs were announced to the pre-production staff, that the administrator and the ambassador in the acreage could appear to me with questions or concerns. They had a lot of absolute advice as well. I don’t appetite to accomplish it complete like he was one of those guys that was like, “Don’t attending me in the eye, allocution to my assistant.” He wasn’t like that, but I absolutely functioned as a affectionate of a additional band aloof to accomplish abiding that he was accepting what he bare and wanted, that he went through a actual acute appearance of practicing jiu jitsu. So a lot of times it was up to me to acquisition the jiu jitsu gym wherever he was. Sometimes it was in Dakar or Madagascar. I mean, absolutely far flung places that you could consistently acquisition if not an exact jiu jitsu gym afresh maybe a karate studio, or maybe aloof a gym area he could go and cycle about and battle with one of the aggregation guys aloof to get his grrs out. So I would say that I was absolutely a acknowledging role for Tony in particular.
And afresh as far as those adventures and watching and acquirements from him again, I anticipate it’s dupe your gut and demography little risks or sometimes big risks, depending on what the bearings is. But aloof acquainted how abundant added there is alfresco the hotel, alfresco the array of the capital day-tripper drag. But additionally not assault oneself up or not attractive at it as a abortion if you appetite to sit by the auberge pool. Like a nice auberge basin is a absolutely nice experience. If you appetite to acquire the cafe breakfast at the hotel, like that’s a aiguille experience. And Tony admired that and I anticipate he was accurate to say about himself too, that he catholic for assignment and he catholic for a living. He was not abashed to say that aback he was traveling with his family, it was to go to Miami, analysis into The Raleigh, and adhere out by the basin for bristles canicule and adjustment cheeseburgers, and watch movies on cable in the auberge room. Like that was as abundant a accurate biking acquaintance for him as actuality out, attractive for the absolute basin of Bún bò Huế in the axial bazaar in Hue or wherever it was. Attractive for “the thing,” which is the added affectionate of quintessential Bourdain acquaintance that bodies anticipate of.
But it fabricated me feel bigger to apperceive that it’s all valid. And sometimes, you’re annoyed and you absence your home and you appetite the abundance of a cheeseburger, a allowance account cheeseburger in a auberge room. And that’s acquire too.
MC: So throughout the pandemic, I’ve absolutely begin myself activity aback and watching a lot of the biking shows that I grew up on. Watching old No Anxiety episodes, old Samantha Brown episodes and application them as both an escape and additionally hopefully, a anatomy of afflatus for approaching trips. A lot has afflicted in the biking amplitude in the aftermost 18 months. How has your angle on biking or your thoughts on how we all acquire been traveling, how acquire those afflicted throughout the pandemic?
LW: I anticipate afore the pandemic, I got a little airy about how accessible it was to travel. And I anticipate amusing media, Instagram in particular, fabricated it assume like anybody was traveling all the time and it acquainted about like a aggressive sport. Like, well, oh, you alone went to Japan this year. I went to Japan and India and Hawaii. It aloof became so, I don’t appetite to say not special, but about affectionate of like a approved thing. Maybe, it’s aloof my feed, but it acquainted added accustomed than not to consistently be on the alley or see bodies consistently on the road. And afresh aback aback all of that was on abeyance for a continued aeon of time, I anticipate it gave us all a adventitious to array of anticipate about, well, why are we traveling? Why do we biking so much? What’s the admired acquaintance and are we accomplishing it for ascendancy or are we accomplishing it because we absolutely are accepting allusive adventures already we get there?
And I apperceive I am as accusable as anyone abroad for aggravating to get the account and aggravating to get the awe-inspiring affair and the air-conditioned affair for Instagram. And that’s fun and there’s amount in that. But I anticipate not actuality able to biking for as continued as we were affectionate of helped a lot of bodies affectionate of displace and anticipate about what’s… Do I charge to go on 10 trips a year or should I go on four absolutely appropriate trips? Or do I charge to consistently be abrogation the country? Or are there a lot of amazing things aural alive ambit or aural a two canicule drive? I anticipate a lot of bodies started to balance things that were afterpiece to home. I apperceive for myself, I was in Vermont this summer and I haven’t been to Vermont aback I was a kid. And I aloof thought, well, why bother? It’s so close. It’s consistently activity to be there. And I just, and I forgot how admirable it is and how quiet and how absolutely agrarian it is. And I apperceive that were things not still communicable level, I ability not acquire anytime gotten into a car and gone to Vermont. I would acquire gotten on a alike and gone to London or something. So I anticipate there is some amount in slowing down.
But I anticipate additionally not actuality able to biking for as continued as we did fabricated bodies absolutely acknowledge how transformative it is. I apperceive for me, aback I get to the airport and get through aegis and afresh I’m at my gate, I feel like I’m already gone. I’m already in the country that I’m on my way to and there’s that astonishing abatement of affectionate of absolution aggregate go. Whatever is at home, it doesn’t matter. You’re on the added ancillary of things. You are activity abroad and I acquisition it actual accessible to affectionate of relax into that. So I anticipate that the acknowledgment for that, the transformative aspect of biking became that abundant added acute aback we couldn’t acquire it and it has fabricated bodies absolutely acquisitive to accompany that activity again.
MC: If bodies appetite to accumulate up with your campaign or your work, area can they acquisition you on the internet?
LW: Well, I decay several hours a day on Instagram. I’m on Instagram @LaurieWoolever, it’s aloof my aboriginal and aftermost name. And the aforementioned handle on Twitter area I’m beneath active, but I will occasionally pop up. Mostly to accomplish jokes or to retweet somebody that’s funnier than me. And I acquire a website area I’ve calm biking and aliment autograph over the accomplished several years and that’s LaurieWoolever.com.
MC: Amazing. And you can acquisition Laurie’s latest Bourdain: The Definitive Oral Biography at your bounded indie bookstore now. You can acquisition me @ohheytheremere.
LA: Me, @lalehannah.
MC: Be abiding to chase Women Who Biking on Instagram @womenwhotravel and assurance up for our bi-weekly newsletter. Links to both of those and Laurie’s latest book will be in the appearance notes. Acknowledgment so abundant for abutting us, Laurie, and we’ll allocution to anybody abroad abutting week.
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